Thread: Looking to trade

Hello from the great white north (Canada) I was wondering if any one would be interested in trading a 87 Buick grand national or a 87 mustang GT for 70's Holden monaro hq gts. I like having things that no one has and having a Holden in Canada would throw people's brain in neutral. I think a grand national or a fox body mustang GT would be like wise in Australia. Thanks for looking Royal

Good luck mate! For what you can buy a rough HQ Monaro GTS for in Australia you can buy a neat 1970 Camaro or even a decent big block 1969 Camaro or Chevelle or the like.

However I agree with you that a Holden, especially a HQ coupe would be cool in Canada. I am now near to 99% certain that the HQ design was actually intended to be the 1970 Beaumont. The original HQ design (essentially an XA Falcon looking thing on a HK floorpan) was canned around 1967 after we think Bill Mitchell's visit to Australia, and suddenly this totally new car was developed in an impossible timeframe (the HQ as we know it). It appears that there was to be a whole new Beaumont for 1970 model year, but GM rationalisation saw the Chevrolet Chevelle and Pontaic Lemans sold in Canada rather than GM of Canada continue with their Chevrolet/Pontiac hybrid Beaumont (and Arcadian, Parisienne etc). Thus the still born Beaumont was finished in Australia as the HQ Holden. The Statesman would have been the sedan, the SWB coupe as it was and the wagon as it was, plus possibly the ute as the GM of Canada version of the El Camino. GMH developed the sedan off the coupe's floorpan, grafted the HG panel van's roof onto the ute and developed new quarter panels for the ute to become the cab-chassis. And of course made the mods to make the Holden drivelines fit, did the RHD thing etc. But the basic US design clues are everywhere in the car if you look closely.

Thank you so much for the information. I do know there is a 68 Pontiac Beaumont Sd 396 bb 4speed 411 gears the Beaumont was only sold in Canada and ended production in 69.i know of one siting in a barn for 40years and he won't part with it. It's like finding the white buffalo or a unicorn in Canada. I could buy a Pontiac g8 gt I think I can import a Chevy ss and I know I can import a Pontiac gto one day one could import a Chevy ppv all Holden based cars. Don't get me wrong I love my grand national every wear I go people turn heads and point. And in a parking lot it takes me a half hour to leave the parking lot people ask a boat load of questions. My relative has a 73 Mach one mustang it looks a lot like a falcon xb. I think I'll go to the states and get a gto. I heard there is only 6 imported to Canada . And it will leave a lot of Canucks scratching their heads.thank you for your help nice to meet you. royal

The Beaumont like the Arcadian (early Beaumont was a luxury level of an Arcadian) and the Parisienne and the Laurentian plus others are GM Canada's hybrid versions of Chevrolet, Pontiac etc. The Arcadian was a ChevyII/Nova based car. I don't know a massive amount about them but I think they were sold only in Canada plus some export territories like Australia (Parisienne only) and other markets. So that is why you will normally only find Beaumonts in Canada. The US-Canada tariffs changed in 1965 and from then on things changed until a GM Corporate restructure in 1969, and that is why the Canadian specific GM vehicles were gone after 1969. As another example of this restructure is the Canadian engine plant that was until 1969 building Chevrolet design engines. This plant was McKinnon Industries which was a subsidiary until 1969. In 1969 it became GM Canada St Catharine's. And yes this means everyone with HK-HT 307 or second type HK GTS327 engines, they aren't a Chevy engine as they were not built in a Chevrolet engine plant! They are actually a Chevrolet design engine, but they are not a Chevrolet engine, remember the McKinnon built SBC design engines were used in not only US Chevrolets, but also in Pontiacs, Holden, Studebaker, Ramsay marine and others.

The 1969 Beaumont mentioned I think uses Chevelle sheetmetal, Pontiac dash and Chevrolet driveline. The big block engines will be USA Chevrolet, and any 4BBL engine prior to 1969 will be a SBC, but the 6cyl and 2BBL small block will probably be a McKinnon engine.

Back to the new Century GTO, there is tens of thousands of them in the USA (over 40,000). They were built in Australia and exported to the USA as fully imported LHD Pontiac GTO. I even saw a few in Oahu and Maui two years ago. The equivalent cars in Australia it was based upon were the Holden V2 and VZ Monaro, and the HSV Coupe, however the Australian ones are RHD. You'll find a GTO easily in the USA. Just Google Holden Monaro wiki, and you'll get most of the info you need, some of the info is not totally accurate but only in small detail.

70s monaros are around $100k good luck buddy 87 mustang what a joke heheheeeeeedeeeee

Yea but the Grand National would be a rare beast in Oz, i would say.