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    .. as an introduction to this new part of the forum
    I am going to post up a couple of recent pics of the race car











    basic rundown -
    After giving up motorcycle racing, I wanted something a big more secure so I decided
    I wanted to run a v8 carbed Commodore in sprints, supersprints, hillclimbs and state based champs
    and thought a Vk replica race car built to the Group A specs of the 80s would be the go

    I wanted a 308 manual... cheap! which put the blue meanie, HDT and SS models out of the picture
    and then one day i saw an ex-interceptor for sale and thought that's the one. I went and
    looked at a number of them... some very bad examples out there (well.. they are ex-police cars)
    but I managed to pick up one that had sat in a panel shop for 12 months (the guy was going
    to build a show car but had lost interest due to the time in the shop. He paid the panel shop
    for an average 2 pak respray (parts of the job are pretty ordinary) but it looked neat enuff and all
    he wanted was the cost of the paint job ... for the whole car ! so I paid up.

    And took home an authentic (via plates and other stuff like speedo, wiring etc) VK interceptor
    with an original 190,000kms 304 (LV2 with V7X hipo pack) rooted Aussie 4 speed (only 1st worked)
    a rooted (stuffed bearings and LSD) large Salisbury with LSD, FE2 Suspension, 4 wheel discs

    I found out when I got it home that it also had an engine bay fire at some stage... lots of melted
    wiring under the fusebox and behind the engine

    The 1st rebuild was the engine.... new gaskets only as it had decent comp and made no noises
    I reco'd the carb, fitted roller rockers with new pushrods, new plugs filters etc
    and then fitted a used set of genie extractors and a Grp A exhaust system
    Aussie 4 speed.. rebuilt with decent bearings, nice clearances and a rebuilt shifter
    Diff... new bearings everywhere and I rebuilt the LSD with twice the normal lot of shims + new springs
    the 3.08 gears are fine (and good at Sandown and PI but not Winton)

    I stuck new VK brakes on it but with decent pads and grooved rotors, new shockers and got a 2nd hand
    set of R rubber to suit the 15" interceptor wheels (which were on it when i bought it)

    I stripped the car off most things but left the drivers seat in. Some new instruments (tacho, oil pressure)
    and went motor racing. It debuted at the November Cup day Sprints 2007 ( i think it was)

    At the 2nd event at Phillip Island 2 weeks later, it split the radiator (tank came away from the core) and I spun in my
    own coolant, packed up and went home

    For the next year I battled cooling issues.. it just plain overheated despite a new copper rad, new water pump etc
    and then over the Christmas break, it just refused to start and I found 2 cylinders full of water. The block had rusted
    out from within and the cylinders walls had cracked. A crack test of the block showed it was rotten

    So I got a used but virgin 304 VL block from a club member and had it done properly.. decked, squared , bore +20
    new ACLs, original B cast heads cleaned up and with new valves. Torker manifold to replace the 5955 HDT one
    lightened flywheel and HD clutch. I rebuilt the Quaddie and fitted different jetting...

    And then I bit the bullet and stuck a cage in it ( very silly racing one of these without one as the body flex was atrocious)
    The cage has been checked and logbooked with CAMS

    Since then.. it has been continuous development --

    work to make the front and rear suspensions fully adjustable with coilovers etc
    work to fix the overheating ... with alloy rad twin fans and a DIY manifold coolant crossover kit
    work to fix the blown head gasket issue.. have not had one for over 2 seasons now
    (the B Casts are on the spare engine and the current engine has cleaned up STANDARD VL 304 LV2 heads)
    work to extract a bit more usable power via a series of camshafts.. still using a Crane 304 Hydraulic
    work to improve the fuel system.. with new bigger lines, dual pumps, surge tank
    work trying out various manifolds... the current (rare) Duggan is a ripper. 10+kw in front of all else
    work on the exhaust to shut it up (we have noise restrictions to observe!) but keep horsepower- it runs HDT HM ones
    work to make it stop.. it runs grooved VT size calipers with VT calipers + Ferodo Motorsport pads.Now it stops!
    Work to make it steer.. it came with pwr stg which i removed but with 7 castor, it needs power steering so put it back
    but the fluid boiled.. so i fitted a trans cooler into the power steering circuit
    work on the suspension... steel strut tops + bilstein front inserts and Koni adjustables on the back
    plus of course playing with various spring rates to keep the rubber on the black stuff
    fitted a race seat plus full harness + cage padding to new FIA specs (the soft foam crap not allowed now)
    work to get different wheel/tyre combos to work made more difficult as decent 15 and 16" rubber is hard to get

    I am running 17x8 with 245/45/17 Toyos R888 rubber in the dry and 17x8 with 24/45/17 Falken 615RT R rubber in the wet
    and
    and..........on and on with lots of little things to make a reliable race car to run at club and state level
    (eg...re-locate battery, kill switches, racing pedals and steering wheel, long wheel studs)

    I now have a spare engine, 2 spare gearboxes (M20 and M21) and a spare diff with 3.36 gears and a spool

    All in all it is easy to drive.. even over drive which gives slower times

    The thing makes 'bout 220rwkw @ 6700, weighs about 1240kg (wet) and turns 1.32 at Sandown and a time of 2.00 exactly at PI.
    It does a best of 60.05 sec at the Haunted Hills hillclimb ( I really want to crack the 60 sec mark there!)


    Except for the cage which was professionally done and outside work like engine machining and balancing, tyre fitting etc
    I have built it all for less than some spend on engines .... not bad for a beancounter by qualification

    Despite never having racecraft driving lessons I still have fun every time I take it out
    ... hence my siggie below
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    Got a basic rundown on the specs of it Smitty, any clips of her in action?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hqtunna4me View Post
    Got a basic rundown on the specs of it Smitty, any clips of her in action?
    yeah .. good idea
    will post up some specs as it is today (they have changed since I first started back in circuit racing)
    and I have plenty of in car footage, will see if I can get some up on utoob and linked to here
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    Should we try getting people to put maybe just a couple of the major moment build pics in their threads? Before pic, Freshly painted, first start up? those major milestones in a build really.
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    ageed, its good to see finished pics but even beter to see how far they came

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    Very Nice.
    I look forward to reading the specs and seeing the in car footage
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hqtunna4me View Post
    Got a basic rundown on the specs of it Smitty, any clips of her in action?
    .. now added
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    Great read too, thanks for sharing
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    love your VK Smitty.
    It's provided me with a lot of inspiration in regards to making track orientated improvements on my VH
    I haven't seen any photos since you were running the old interceptor wheels. Those black wheels look trick

    Looking forward to the incar footage. Bring it on
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    Nice sounding car too, saw it at sandown a few weeks back and it looked and sounded the part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ynot8 View Post
    love your VK Smitty.
    It's provided me with a lot of inspiration in regards to making track orientated improvements on my VH
    I haven't seen any photos since you were running the old interceptor wheels. Those black wheels look trick

    .................
    here it is as I bought it






    fitted up with R Rubber (Yokohamas here ) but with original style suspension (check out the height)



    and early days here .. about 2009 at Dandenong Rd Corner at Sandown




    and Phillip Island





    and after 15" rubber became difficult to get ( and exxie) ..I moved to 16s


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    Well done Smitty - nice write-up mate.

    Looks like fun!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandman77 View Post
    Nice sounding car too, saw it at sandown a few weeks back and it looked and sounded the part.
    ... thanks

    got more than I had bargained for that day (it was the Porsche 240... a 4 hour Regularity event I think you saw me at)
    with 240 minutes ..and 4 guys from the club in the team, plus Supp Reg rules stating no driver could do more than
    30 minutes driving time before handing the sash to the next driver in the team.. we set out to do 15 min stints
    which are not too hard on car or driver for the event

    I started the event (thankfully a rolling start) and did my 1st 15 min stint and came in to hand over.. all good
    Our 4th driver had an XJS jag and out he went for his stint and promptly got blackflagged for spilling fuel...
    I was walking to the car to get helmeted up and belted in when our team manager ran up and said ... you have
    less than 2 mins to be in the pits to take over when the Jag comes in. Yep .. so out I went and did a 30 min
    stint. Car was behaving but the driver was getting a bit erratic with lines and braking markers after 30 mins!

    The Jag driver drained one of his dual tanks and went out again when it was his turn...'cept he did not
    complete one lap! He buried it in the kitty litter at T1...so as I was walking back to the car, same story
    as our manager runs up ...and says get in you have to go out! (he should have added again)
    So out I go again and do another 30 mins (under safety car as the recovery crew had trouble pulling the Jag out
    .. in fact they broke its tow link trying to pull it out and had to get the flat tray truck out)

    the Jag goes back to Scrutineering for a check.. meanwhile the other 3 of us are back doing 15 min stints
    (and was due a drink and something to eat by now.. but had not much time)

    back to 4 now, the Jag goes out again and well, stuff me ...does NOT do a lap again, he lost it as Dandenong Rd
    spun the Jag and backed it into the armco down there doing panel damage and breaking the RHR taillight.
    So ..same deal, get in the car quick! and get out there. I do 15 mins driving past the Jag under safety car
    while they load it up on the flat top (and take it Scrutineering to be looked over) and 15 minutes back under normal
    race conditions for another 30 min stint.

    To finish the story... the Jag driver fires it up to leave the scrutineering bay and it met with a lot of loud banging noises
    coming from under the bonnet. The considered decision of all ... including the driver is it has run a bearing (possibly
    the cause of the spin at Dandenong Rd) and the Jag is pushed away to where its trailer awaits.
    Me.. yeah I get another long stint not 30 mins but about 20 mins... to meet the Chequered Flag
    and have a parade lap before coming into the pits. Pit crew consensus is my track time on the day was somewhere
    between 110 and 120 minutes. That is a lot of driving time...

    I am stuffed, hungry and the VK just about out of fuel ( it got a quick jerry top up sometime during the day)
    oh...and we came 2nd last for the event (there were 36 teams I think) which is a bit disappointing after 11th last year
    but hey.. I got my moneys worth on the day (it cost $260 after the fuel voucher was handed out) and definitely
    will be back next year

    The Porsche Club run a good event and despite what lots think are quite good about having Mustangs, Nissans
    Hondas Commodores... and Jags out there for the event. It certainly is challenging for a driver as i am a damn sight quicker
    than some of the Marque sports cars and hondas competing but you need to watch out for GT3 Porsches heading towards
    300kmh as they go past....
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    Yeah that sounds about right, I was checking out the cars & coffee event on the hill and then Tried taking some photos of the cars going through Dandenong Rd and thought wait I know that yellow VK. Sounds like a fun event though, I assumed it was a general track day by the variety of cars on the track.

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    forgot to mention that I'm also happy to see you've stuck with the Holden engine rather than go down the LS path.
    It's an instant turnoff for me when I see a nice first gen race car and then find an LS under the bonnet.

    I loved the cars from the Grp C & Grp A era, it's a trip down memory lane hearing the Holden V8 on full song in these cars.
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