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    Not wanting to raise the PCD debate, but I canít believe after all these years Weld, Centreline etc STILL donít make a 5 x 120 pcd wheel. Any American wheel for that matter. I have even looked extensively through the fake lookalike markets. Whatís even more frustrating is that most drag wheel manufacturers will cater to Hondaís!!!

    i donít want 20in high tech looking wheels!!! I was excited when the yanks went metric because I figured they would run 5 x 120, so the market would follow suit. Looks like itís back to renting the missus for a set of Simmons.
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    The problem with Simmons these days is that they also do a one piece wheel that looks pretty much the same as the modular version so between the two, almost every modified car in Australia especially Commodores has them now. They are the best looking wheel around though unless you want to really get raped for another custom like Forgelines.

    The other problem is smaller diameter wheels (15's etc.) are getting really hard to get decent big tyres for. I don't remember what car you have without re-reading threads but is there any possibility to change your set up to a different PCD, that's how some get around it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaseQ314 View Post
    The problem with Simmons these days is that they also do a one piece wheel that looks pretty much the same as the modular version so between the two, almost every modified car in Australia especially Commodores has them now. They are the best looking wheel around though unless you want to really get raped for another custom like Forgelines.

    The other problem is smaller diameter wheels (15's etc.) are getting really hard to get decent big tyres for. I don't remember what car you have without re-reading threads but is there any possibility to change your set up to a different PCD, that's how some get around it.
    Well that’s it. I have a VH Commo so I,m not going down the path of changing PCD. I wanted to run a 15 with tall tyres and the selection in the states for a old school wheel is insane. And cheap. I just can’t get my head around, considering technology these days, how hard can it be to change tooling to drill some holes .65 mm smaller???

    As I mentioned they all do a 4 stud version for ricers so wtf? Personally 15in Simmons look pretty crap too, so it will have to be 18 with a 45 Profile tyre. And it won’t be the modular ones you mention. They are nice, but as you say ‘everyone’ has them. Probably go the OM 3 piece.

    A mate of mine is building a FC and mentioned he was thinking of a commodore stud pattern. I quickly convinced him otherwise. Lol

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    VH Commodore, that's right, I thought Commodore but couldn't remember for sure without looking it up.

    I have a set of 15X7 pursuits with Yokohama C Drive tyres or some bare FR19 Simmons (original, not Tempe) I can probably sell you if you really want to fit in with the crowd .

    15" Simmons looked fantastic 30 years ago, just not so much anymore. OM Simmons are not that common unlike the FR's so they would look alright in an 18" and be something a bit different. They'd be a bitch to clean though, good luck.

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    Chev stud pattern wheels can easily be made to fit properly on 5x120. There is room around the studs to get them on you just have to spot machine the countersink (from memory) .013" in to make the pcd .026" smaller to true them with the commo studs. Wheel goes on mill table, true the c'sink, (on the table centre line) move table .013" in, (to make pcd smaller) re-spot c'sink. Easy when you know how. You will now be stud centric not hub centric like the commo though. Which means the weight of the car is on the studs not the hub, which a lot of cars are and I think is ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTaxi View Post
    Chev stud pattern wheels can easily be made to fit properly on 5x120. There is room around the studs to get them on you just have to spot machine the countersink (from memory) .013" in to make the pcd .026" smaller to true them with the commo studs. Wheel goes on mill table, true the c'sink, (on the table centre line) move table .013" in, (to make pcd smaller) re-spot c'sink. Easy when you know how. You will now be stud centric not hub centric like the commo though. Which means the weight of the car is on the studs not the hub, which a lot of cars are and I think is ok.
    That makes sense and to be honest probably cheaper than buying simmons by about 2 grand. lol. Nut centric doesn't worry me in the least. Most motor sport wheels are nut centric (nascar), just have to use the right tools for balancing.

    Am also seriously thinking about wobble nuts. Not in much of a rush at the moment as i have wheels to get by with. Might speak to my machinist.

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    Wobble nuts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedTaxi View Post
    Wobble nuts?
    Have you not seen them? The hex floats on the stud by about 2 mm. Essentially the chamfer of the nut offsets itself and centres on the wheel.

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    Ok, I guess that would work.

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    Not sure those would work on prostars,convo pro etc as they use shank style wheel nuts.

    The thing don't like about prostars on my vh is they don't mount to hub just the wheels studs holding weight unlike simmons or chasers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrboyy View Post
    Not sure those would work on prostars,convo pro etc as they use shank style wheel nuts.

    The thing don't like about prostars on my vh is they don't mount to hub just the wheels studs holding weight unlike simmons or chasers.
    I thought the go with convo's or similar, was to drill new holes @ 5x120 making them multi fit. Have read guys with a 9'' buying ford for the rear and
    drilling ford for the front @ 5x120, you can then have a front as a spare also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtrboyy View Post
    Not sure those would work on prostars,convo pro etc as they use shank style wheel nuts.

    The thing don't like about prostars on my vh is they don't mount to hub just the wheels studs holding weight unlike simmons or chasers.
    Correct shank style wheels won’t work. Lug centric isn’t a problem. Look at very landcruiser wheel or 4x4. All lug centric. Not worried about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dno View Post
    I thought the go with convo's or similar, was to drill new holes @ 5x120 making them multi fit. Have read guys with a 9'' buying ford for the rear and
    drilling ford for the front @ 5x120, you can then have a front as a spare also.
    True you could probably order blanks too. I’m just want to open my wheel options. Convos are out my price range anyway.

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    True can modify stud pattern to suit but all weight of car will still be only wheel studs not hub as that's the way prostars etc wheels are made unlike aussie wheels.

    My vh has ford rear pattern & commo front...found that out when trying to fit B45's on it

    Can fit P76 discs(?) on front if you don't mind keeping small disc size same as vb-vk.

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