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    this thread is sweet keep it coming. sweet torry too, your making me more depressed (LOL) that mines not painted yet, almost ready for primer.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LX8VD69 View Post
    your making me more depressed (LOL) that mines not painted yet, almost ready for primer.
    I know what you mean, mine's been up on stands since easter and it was only supposed to be a few weeks! The withdrawl symptoms are getting worse...

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    You guys are making me jealous, mine came off the road mid 2002, nothing much has happened but the bug has bitten again and some parts have been ordered.

    I'm following this thread with interest as I will be going for the Hopper stopper front disc upgrade, waiting for your feedback once you are rolling again.

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    ss hatch

    could you explain this
    "These require the stubs to be swapped from left to right but no dodgy HQ conversions so I get to keep my suspension geometry."


    many thanks tom

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    Hi Tom

    The factory Torana brake discs are quite small in diameter, and larger diameter rotors are desirable. However in order to fit calipers to larger diameter discs they need to be mounted in a different position, requiring either different stub axles (which the calipers mount to) or adapter brackets. The Hoppers kit uses adapter brackets, the original A9X Toranas used a different stub axle which was specially made. The A9X stub axles are very rare and expensive (reproductions also very expensive) so a lot of people use HQ-WB stub axles instead. Unfortunately, while these do fit on, the HQ-WB stub axles are different from the Torana ones in two other important respects: 1) they have the spindle 30mm higher which lowers the car (OK if you compensate for it), and 2) the KPI (king pin inclination) is a couple of degrees different (9 vs 7 I think off the top of my head). The second is a big problem because it results in bump steer when these stub axles are fitted to a Torana due to the different suspension travel angles. Different steering arms can partially make up for this (the A9X had special steering arms too, similar to UC models), but at the end of the day if you want a safe and well-handling Torana you don't want to fit HQ-WB stub axles to it. I don't.

    Hope this helps

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    THANKS,
    that's has helped ,
    as i understand it know best option for a street car come club day hill climber for brake's
    is to buy your self some hopper stoppers ..keep the same stub axles swap them side for side and install them?

    doe's this mean if i ask for commodore stud pattern when ordering the brakes.

    i have a VR rear diff i will be having altered etc. which means i can then use wheels to suit commodore giving me a bigger range?

    i think i might start a new thread to tell the users what i have in mind for the car and get some of their input and advice.

    many thanks again

    tom

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    Unless you have a really big budget, yes the Hoppers kit is the best option. They provide full detailed fitting instructions and engineer's report. I decided to go for Commodore pattern (you can choose whatever you like with the kit) but in retrospect I would probably have been better off with HQ pattern because the offset is different to Commodore so that would have given me more choice in wheels without custom pattern.

    Yes start a new thread, I'm sure you'll get plenty of useful input from other members here.

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    thanks for that..

    what type of wheel would be your pick if you had the hq pattern?
    i like the old hotwire's but they aren't cheap and hard to get!!!

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    Hotwires are OK but I don't know if they come in 15 inch or bigger (which is required to clear the front brakes). Simmons V5 always looked awesome but extremely expensive and hard to get. I'm planning on getting some S/S Cragars at this stage, the Super Supremes also look quite good - cheaper copies of these designs are also available. Either 15 inch or maybe 16 inch would be max diameter because the low profile tyre look just isn't right and there isn't much room especially at the front.

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    Question stub torana!!

    just to confirm
    u used the torana stub axles just swapped them from one side to the other?

    then fit the kit to their instructions?

    many thanks i want to get this right!!

    tom


    Quote Originally Posted by 76lxhatch View Post
    Hi Tom

    The factory Torana brake discs are quite small in diameter, and larger diameter rotors are desirable. However in order to fit calipers to larger diameter discs they need to be mounted in a different position, requiring either different stub axles (which the calipers mount to) or adapter brackets. The Hoppers kit uses adapter brackets, the original A9X Toranas used a different stub axle which was specially made. The A9X stub axles are very rare and expensive (reproductions also very expensive) so a lot of people use HQ-WB stub axles instead. Unfortunately, while these do fit on, the HQ-WB stub axles are different from the Torana ones in two other important respects: 1) they have the spindle 30mm higher which lowers the car (OK if you compensate for it), and 2) the KPI (king pin inclination) is a couple of degrees different (9 vs 7 I think off the top of my head). The second is a big problem because it results in bump steer when these stub axles are fitted to a Torana due to the different suspension travel angles. Different steering arms can partially make up for this (the A9X had special steering arms too, similar to UC models), but at the end of the day if you want a safe and well-handling Torana you don't want to fit HQ-WB stub axles to it. I don't.

    Hope this helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by lxclone View Post
    just to confirm
    u used the torana stub axles just swapped them from one side to the other?

    then fit the kit to their instructions?

    many thanks i want to get this right!!

    tom
    Yes thats exactly right, their instructions include swapping the stub axles left to right. Apparently the calipers will occasionally fit without swapping them (mine were close, they foul on the tie rod ends) but then you would probably have to get shorter flexible hoses to suit.

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    what's your thought on this..

    tom

    (Spindle) Stub axle's remain Torana. If you do a VT conversion the rotor and hub are two seperate parts! The hubs you use are from VS Commodore's that fortunately run the same wheel bearings & hub seal's as HQ/LX's. The rotor you use is a DBA040 which slips over the VS hub. The caliper to use would be from a VT because they are a twin piston floating type caliper (Good in other words). The tricky bit is making or purchasing a adapter to fit the new caliper's bolt pattern :sad. Call Hoppers Stopers as they make a complete kit. It is dearer than finding the parts needed from the cheapest suppliers but they do have the caliper adapter correct hoses and the fiddly bits neccessary to doing this important modification. Stick with the HQ parts for now as you should be able to tackle that conversion yourself and save a packet!!!!!

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    lxclone I looked at all that too:

    - Hoppers wouldn't sell me the brackets separately so they would have to be made up (the brackets are the hardest part of it all)
    - the Hoppers kit uses 290mm rotors and AU Falcon calipers as this gives better clearance than the 296mm rotors and VT calipers

    and whatever you do read the above posts before even thinking about HQ parts

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    i gather from your last comment u have a big problem with hq stubs?

    MY APOLOGIES I CUT AND PASTED THIS COMMENT BELOW

    "and whatever you do read the above posts before even thinking about HQ parts"


    i will take that on board.

    ps... i got the above imformation from another site!!


    many thanks tom
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    HQ stubs a9x steering arms no problems

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