pre 72 emissions requirements - Aussie V8 | Holden - Ford

avon001 · 23-06-2008, 07:26 PM

"Emission standards for replacement engines

1972 and later model vehicles with substitute engines must meet the intent of the later of the Australian Design Rules applicable to either:

a) The original vehicle; or
b) The substitute engine."

.....

"Vehicles manufactured prior to noise and/or exhaust emissions related ADRs must meet certain minimum noise

and emission requirements if the engine modification is to such an extent as to require certification by an engineering

signatory. Engineering signatories will be able to give you more information about these requirements."
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this is quoted from the documentation on the rta web site.
does this mean that i (im putting a l76 into a 69 model holden)
and 18htan (ls1 into 63 belair) will not have to run cats?
any idea what minimum emissons tests we will have to comply to?
and / or where to get the documentation to back it all up?

wabbit · 23-06-2008, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avon001

"Emission standards for replacement engines[/left]

1972 and later model vehicles with substitute engines must meet the intent of the later of the Australian Design Rules applicable to either:

b) The substitute engine."

does that answer your question?

avon001 · 23-06-2008, 09:07 PM

"1972 and later model vehicles"

no, its a 1969 car.

wabbit · 24-06-2008, 10:19 AM

ah. sorry. my mistake

I've had a good look around and seem to have found exactly what you did.
I'd suggest a phone call to an engineer to get the good oil.

It seems that VSI06 was written either before a decision was made on the requirements for pre '72 vehicles, or the existing standards were subject to change.

avon001 · 24-06-2008, 12:18 PM

thanks champ!

MikHQ · 24-06-2008, 01:18 PM

Wait a minute.... Are you telling me that i can chuck my Injected 5 litre into my HQ (HQ's were 71) and not need to worry about Cats or a charcol canister !?!! HOLY SWEET JESUS

PRO-GMH · 24-06-2008, 02:37 PM

At the end of the day cats and charcoal cannisters arent going to rob you of any power... nothing to throw a party about lol.

wabbit · 24-06-2008, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikHQ

Wait a minute.... Are you telling me that i can chuck my Injected 5 litre into my HQ (HQ's were 71) and not need to worry about Cats or a charcol canister !?!! HOLY SWEET JESUS

the standard doesn't actually say that.
it does state that there are noise and emission requirements, but not what they are.

avon001 · 24-06-2008, 08:19 PM

exactly my point, I was trying to find out if anyone knew what the minimum requirements were.

I think everyones case will be different, and they should do as i plan to do and consult several engineers. In the end if your engineer isnt happy with what you have done he wont engineer your car.

as for the injected 5.0L id just put the top end onto an old block (1971), then the only identification on it is from 1971, so technically it is a 1971 engine and has to meet the requirements that the engine as original equipment in the car did. (as far as i know)
Again, best to talk to an engineer and see what they are happy to approve, because you will still have to get it engineered.

23-06-2008, 07:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
avon001 LSX 364 Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: bowral Ride: premier Posts: 55	pre 72 emissions requirements "Emission standards for replacement engines 1972 and later model vehicles with substitute engines must meet the intent of the later of the Australian Design Rules applicable to either: a) The original vehicle; or b) The substitute engine." ..... "Vehicles manufactured prior to noise and/or exhaust emissions related ADRs must meet certain minimum noise and emission requirements if the engine modification is to such an extent as to require certification by an engineering signatory. Engineering signatories will be able to give you more information about these requirements." _________________________________- this is quoted from the documentation on the rta web site. does this mean that i (im putting a l76 into a 69 model holden) and 18htan (ls1 into 63 belair) will not have to run cats? any idea what minimum emissons tests we will have to comply to? and / or where to get the documentation to back it all up? Last edited by avon001; 23-06-2008 at 07:28 PM.

24-06-2008, 10:19 AM	#4 (permalink)
wabbit smell something burning? Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Rockhampton Ride: VK Commy slugmobile, Kia Rio, LH Torry Posts: 6,079	ah. sorry. my mistake I've had a good look around and seem to have found exactly what you did. I'd suggest a phone call to an engineer to get the good oil. It seems that VSI06 was written either before a decision was made on the requirements for pre '72 vehicles, or the existing standards were subject to change. __________________ Nothing to see, here Move along, please .

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23-06-2008, 09:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
avon001 LSX 364 Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: bowral Ride: premier Posts: 55	"1972 and later model vehicles" no, its a 1969 car.

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avon001 LSX 364 Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: bowral Ride: premier Posts: 55	thanks champ!

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MikHQ casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Melbourne Ride: HQ Sedan Posts: 56	Wait a minute.... Are you telling me that i can chuck my Injected 5 litre into my HQ (HQ's were 71) and not need to worry about Cats or a charcol canister !?!! HOLY SWEET JESUS

24-06-2008, 02:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
PRO-GMH Senior Member Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bronx Ride: monaro coupe 350 Posts: 673	At the end of the day cats and charcoal cannisters arent going to rob you of any power... nothing to throw a party about lol.

24-06-2008, 08:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
avon001 LSX 364 Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: bowral Ride: premier Posts: 55	exactly my point, I was trying to find out if anyone knew what the minimum requirements were. I think everyones case will be different, and they should do as i plan to do and consult several engineers. In the end if your engineer isnt happy with what you have done he wont engineer your car. as for the injected 5.0L id just put the top end onto an old block (1971), then the only identification on it is from 1971, so technically it is a 1971 engine and has to meet the requirements that the engine as original equipment in the car did. (as far as i know) Again, best to talk to an engineer and see what they are happy to approve, because you will still have to get it engineered.

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