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NOZ350 · 11-04-2008, 05:21 PM

Hi Guys, I bought a HK Prem of Carsales .com.

Now I did not see it in the flesh but had many photos and videos of the car sent to me before I bought it. So where do I stand when his add state the following

1/ Its a 383
2/ 31 Spline axels
3/ No oil leaks.
4/ Nothing needs money spent

Now for the truth

1/ Its 327
2/ 28 spline axels
3/ Cracked gear box (oil leak)
4/ Tail shaft flogged out (hense the gear box cracked)

My main concern is that I have now invested another 10k in this car to bring it up to the specs it was advertised with.

Do I have a legal leg here not ?

lx406 · 11-04-2008, 05:28 PM

It sounds as if your off to court. Here in Victoria we have VCAT (Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal). They sort these sorts of issues out. But seeing how you are in different states, you may have to pursue this bloke in the court nearest to him.

There is hope, but you will have to weigh up the hassles as compared with the possible gain. Legal advice should be sought before you do anything.

pro068 · 11-04-2008, 07:27 PM

Did you ever get back in contact with the guy?
If so what sort of excuse did he have?

BossHoggett · 11-04-2008, 09:09 PM

Dont touch it.
Dont open the motor.
Dont drive it.
Do nothing. then seek legal representation.
(small claims tribunal i believe is claims under 5 or 10 thousand in the NT)

DOCUMENT EVERYTHING
Phone calls
Photographs
Web corespondents. and Screen dumps of the Advertisement.
Method of payment and receipts of financial transfer
Professional opinions or reports.

NOZ350 · 11-04-2008, 09:15 PM

All has been repaired or changed now. As for getting in touch with the guy, he wont return my calls which cements his guilt in my eyes but I did post on his youtube site and he replied to my message saying he knew nothing about the engine only being a 327, but I reckon he either got ripped off himself or he is a full on bull shit artist.

Might contact my solicitor and get his thoughts.

toryman · 11-04-2008, 11:39 PM

Sounds like another case of "buyer beware". Im sure im probably the hundredth person to tell u this but, u should never buy something worth as much as a car without seeing it for yourself or having a trusted person look at it for u first. The fact that u have already worked on it to fix things would go against u in almost any court because u now cant prove how bad it was in its original state. If u do have proof then i think some kind of civil action might be the only thing u could do.

NOZ350 · 12-04-2008, 08:05 AM

True but the facts are, Even if I was standing in front of the car a 327 and a 383 look the same and you would never pull out a set of axels to make sure they are 31 spline and I am sure if I was coming to look at the car he would have made sure it wasnt leaking gearbox oil.

Generally speaking if had gone to look and check the car out I could have really only seen the condition of the car, sounds and looks which I did via the net. On the up side the paint body and interior are great it was the drive line that was crap and I dont think it would have changed my out come if I had seen it first hand, you have to have a degree of trust that what you are being told is some what true.

I am 44 now and I have had my share of hot cars (built and bought) but I have never been ripped off like this.

PRO-GMH · 12-04-2008, 09:03 PM

You would need to prove that he had prior knowledge that the car was as you said it was. Proving this would be near impossible!

NOZ350 · 14-04-2008, 04:18 PM

I have a copy of the add he posted on Carsales.com. If he knew or not to me is not the question.

If you are not sure check it out I say. He had the engine built and has told me in the past that he has the receipt so he is full of crap.

I know my chances of getting any $$ out of this wanka are slim if not none but boy I would like to run into him after a few beers........:shoot

pro068 · 14-04-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NOZ350

I have a copy of the add he posted on Carsales.com. If he knew or not to me is not the question.

If you are not sure check it out I say. He had the engine built and has told me in the past that he has the receipt so he is full of crap.

I know my chances of getting any $$ out of this wanka are slim if not none but boy I would like to run into him after a few beers........:shoot

Give us a ring when you do cause I'd love to watch

jdonly1 · 14-04-2008, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pro068

Give us a ring when you do cause I'd love to watch

BossHoggett · 14-04-2008, 06:01 PM

Im lead to believe that 2 broken hands, is quite humiliating for the next 8 weeks having to ask others to wipe their arse.

NOZ350 · 14-04-2008, 06:33 PM

Yeah thanks all, He is in SA and I am in QLD so he is safe at least till the Clipsal 500 next year

.

You can be sure he will get a visit

JA5ONS · 14-04-2008, 06:55 PM

three words
"a current affair"

name and shame the low life

PRO-GMH · 14-04-2008, 08:51 PM

They'd turn it back on you for being a thuggish hoon... wouldnt waste your time with ACA or TT! Theyve never done us any favours!!

11-04-2008, 05:21 PM	#1 (permalink)
NOZ350 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane Ride: HK 383 Premier Posts: 309	Fraud or not? Hi Guys, I bought a HK Prem of Carsales .com. Now I did not see it in the flesh but had many photos and videos of the car sent to me before I bought it. So where do I stand when his add state the following 1/ Its a 383 2/ 31 Spline axels 3/ No oil leaks. 4/ Nothing needs money spent Now for the truth 1/ Its 327 2/ 28 spline axels 3/ Cracked gear box (oil leak) 4/ Tail shaft flogged out (hense the gear box cracked) My main concern is that I have now invested another 10k in this car to bring it up to the specs it was advertised with. Do I have a legal leg here not ?

11-04-2008, 11:39 PM	#6 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,331	Sounds like another case of "buyer beware". Im sure im probably the hundredth person to tell u this but, u should never buy something worth as much as a car without seeing it for yourself or having a trusted person look at it for u first. The fact that u have already worked on it to fix things would go against u in almost any court because u now cant prove how bad it was in its original state. If u do have proof then i think some kind of civil action might be the only thing u could do. __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

14-04-2008, 06:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
NOZ350 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane Ride: HK 383 Premier Posts: 309	Yeah thanks all, He is in SA and I am in QLD so he is safe at least till the Clipsal 500 next year. You can be sure he will get a visit

14-04-2008, 06:55 PM	#14 (permalink)
JA5ONS Year 12 Graduated :) Trade Rating: (1) Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Traralgon (Glengarry), Eastern Victoria. Ride: VS Ute Posts: 2,579	three words "a current affair" name and shame the low life __________________ Bundy & Coke, now cheaper than petrol: drink, don't drive.

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11-04-2008, 05:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
lx406 Adds to global warming Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Traralgon, Vic Ride: HG Premier, 406 Chev, 11.48 @115. Daily 1968 HK Posts: 1,015	It sounds as if your off to court. Here in Victoria we have VCAT (Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal). They sort these sorts of issues out. But seeing how you are in different states, you may have to pursue this bloke in the court nearest to him. There is hope, but you will have to weigh up the hassles as compared with the possible gain. Legal advice should be sought before you do anything.

11-04-2008, 07:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
pro068 Dodgy Auto Electrician Trade Rating: (1) Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In the shed Ride: hq monaro & HG Wagon Posts: 900	Did you ever get back in contact with the guy? If so what sort of excuse did he have?

11-04-2008, 09:09 PM	#4 (permalink)
BossHoggett casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Darwin Ride: 318 1966 Ap6 Valiant Posts: 329	Dont touch it. Dont open the motor. Dont drive it. Do nothing. then seek legal representation. (small claims tribunal i believe is claims under 5 or 10 thousand in the NT) DOCUMENT EVERYTHING Phone calls Photographs Web corespondents. and Screen dumps of the Advertisement. Method of payment and receipts of financial transfer Professional opinions or reports.

11-04-2008, 09:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
NOZ350 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane Ride: HK 383 Premier Posts: 309	All has been repaired or changed now. As for getting in touch with the guy, he wont return my calls which cements his guilt in my eyes but I did post on his youtube site and he replied to my message saying he knew nothing about the engine only being a 327, but I reckon he either got ripped off himself or he is a full on bull shit artist. Might contact my solicitor and get his thoughts.

12-04-2008, 08:05 AM	#7 (permalink)
NOZ350 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane Ride: HK 383 Premier Posts: 309	True but the facts are, Even if I was standing in front of the car a 327 and a 383 look the same and you would never pull out a set of axels to make sure they are 31 spline and I am sure if I was coming to look at the car he would have made sure it wasnt leaking gearbox oil. Generally speaking if had gone to look and check the car out I could have really only seen the condition of the car, sounds and looks which I did via the net. On the up side the paint body and interior are great it was the drive line that was crap and I dont think it would have changed my out come if I had seen it first hand, you have to have a degree of trust that what you are being told is some what true. I am 44 now and I have had my share of hot cars (built and bought) but I have never been ripped off like this.

12-04-2008, 09:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
PRO-GMH Senior Member Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bronx Ride: monaro coupe 350 Posts: 673	You would need to prove that he had prior knowledge that the car was as you said it was. Proving this would be near impossible!

14-04-2008, 04:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
NOZ350 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Brisbane Ride: HK 383 Premier Posts: 309	I have a copy of the add he posted on Carsales.com. If he knew or not to me is not the question. If you are not sure check it out I say. He had the engine built and has told me in the past that he has the receipt so he is full of crap. I know my chances of getting any $$ out of this wanka are slim if not none but boy I would like to run into him after a few beers........:shoot

14-04-2008, 06:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
BossHoggett casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Darwin Ride: 318 1966 Ap6 Valiant Posts: 329	Im lead to believe that 2 broken hands, is quite humiliating for the next 8 weeks having to ask others to wipe their arse.

14-04-2008, 08:51 PM	#15 (permalink)
PRO-GMH Senior Member Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bronx Ride: monaro coupe 350 Posts: 673	They'd turn it back on you for being a thuggish hoon... wouldnt waste your time with ACA or TT! Theyve never done us any favours!!

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