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Old 08-04-2008, 09:56 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Dob in a hoon. Can you get charged?

This is a hypothetical - another thread got me thinking.

If someone was to dob you in to the hoon hotline the police obviously come around and give you a roughen up... but can you get charged?
eg: They say you were speeding or recklessly driving. Can they book you if someone has dobbed you in?

Im interested to find out.

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Old 08-04-2008, 04:36 PM   #2 (permalink)
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It can and has happened but not that often. We would need proof like photos, video, burnout marks on the road as well as someone who would be willing to go to court as a witness. Usually they refuse to make a statement that would enable up to take it further but it has happened. Recently in Doncaster a bloke did a 90 metre burnout in a residential street and the witness who was a mechanic as well as a car nut made a statement and the idiot's car was impounded. He is now facing a number of charges at court.
Usually (and quite often) we get a phone call about hoon drivers but the person complaining doesn't want to go to court. In that case, we usually contact the driver of the offending car and read him or her the riot act. We let them know in no uncrtain terms that that sort of driving is not tolerated and tell them to pull their head in. Quite often this works and the matter is not taken any further.

In a couple of words, it's very unlikely your car will be impounded as a result of a complaint. Being witnessed by police is another matter.

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Interesting, thanks Doc.
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Usually (and quite often) we get a phone call about hoon drivers but the person complaining doesn't want to go to court. In that case, we usually contact the driver of the offending car and read him or her the riot act. We let them know in no uncertain terms that that sort of driving is not tolerated and tell them to pull their head in. Quite often this works and the matter is not taken any further.

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I reckon it still should be like that. A decent set of boots worked wonders for me and my mates.
of course, if they'd impounded our vehicles, We'd have been out of pocket about $9.75 each
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May be you can shed some light on this Doc.
I know it says in the rules that a burn out is defined as one or more wheels losing traction and or making smoke, but what im interested in is the old law stated (at lest in NSW) that the wheels had to do 3 revolutions and or 3 sec to be prosecuted as such. They don’t have this anymore do they so theoretically if you’re on a wet road in a 300hp car trying to get out of a intersection at peek hr or something without being cleaned up by some wank and give it to much gas and get a bit of slippage ( not a 60 foot fish tail ) then you can be classed as a hoon ? is this correct ?
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May be you can shed some light on this Doc.
I know it says in the rules that a burn out is defined as one or more wheels losing traction and or making smoke, but what im interested in is the old law stated (at lest in NSW) that the wheels had to do 3 revolutions and or 3 sec to be prosecuted as such. They don’t have this anymore do they so theoretically if you’re on a wet road in a 300hp car trying to get out of a intersection at peek hr or something without being cleaned up by some wank and give it to much gas and get a bit of slippage ( not a 60 foot fish tail ) then you can be classed as a hoon ? is this correct ?
I reckon unless u come across an officer having a real bad day, in a situation like that most would understand and be fine about it methinks. Having said that, just as a side point, wheelspin will move u slower than traction will, and i know sometimes u cant help it but as we all know it can happen.
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This happened to a mate not even a P plater either and with many years of driving experience, no warnings, demerit points, or reckless driving charges but a excessive noise charge of $120 at about 3 pm in the afternoon for a little wheel spin from a takeoff from a mates place and was told who the person who made the complaint was, no photos or even recognisable marks on the road as it was so insignificant. Being a 500hp solid cammed 350 it’s not the quietest thing but I think it’s a little unfair to get fined based on 1 complaint and have police wait out the front of your house for half an hour for a little burnout if you could call it that. (Note. he was already home with the car locked up). Please shed some light to the incident and think it is unfair. By the way it happened in SA.

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It can and has happened but not that often. We would need proof like photos, video, burnout marks on the road as well as someone who would be willing to go to court as a witness. Usually they refuse to make a statement that would enable up to take it further but it has happened. Recently in Doncaster a bloke did a 90 metre burnout in a residential street and the witness who was a mechanic as well as a car nut made a statement and the idiot's car was impounded. He is now facing a number of charges at court.
Usually (and quite often) we get a phone call about hoon drivers but the person complaining doesn't want to go to court. In that case, we usually contact the driver of the offending car and read him or her the riot act. We let them know in no uncrtain terms that that sort of driving is not tolerated and tell them to pull their head in. Quite often this works and the matter is not taken any further.

In a couple of words, it's very unlikely your car will be impounded as a result of a complaint. Being witnessed by police is another matter.

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Does this include police officers when they are off duty??? Or even when they are off duty does there word count for more??? no offence to anyone but i know in WA no matter what happened a police officer always has more of a say in court.
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Of course it includes police officers off duty. If someone did a burnout out the front of my house they would lose their car. But I would have to be able to prove identity of the driver, and obviously photos of the burnout marks etc.
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Ok so what happens "for example" on a rainy day im cruising along with my brother/mate and i go a lil sideways around a corner well maybe not even sideways but have some wheel spin... and theres a police officer off duty on his personal motor bike and he sees this.

But then goes zooming passed me, say im doing 53 in a 50 zone and he goes flying passed me at say at least 90ks. if he dobs me in who is in the wrong when i have a witness to say he was doing well over the limit but he says i went sideways??? so its 2 citizen words against one police officers word? what happens as there is no tyre marks cause it was only small and plus wet.
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When off duty and not in a police car all the road rules apply.
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Ahh ok well if that ever happens now i know
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Funny that i about 7 yrs ago i was siting on 60 in a 60 zone and a hatch back flew passed me doing about 90 and about 20ks down the road droped down to about 80 in a 100 zone wile talking on his phone so i over took him in dubble lanes and he tryed to dragg me to the merge into 1 lane and when he was beside me he started blowing the horn and when i looked over he was holding up his uniform that was on the pasanger seat.

Got me to pull over and booked me for doing 115 in a 100 zone acouring to his personl cars speedo when he was off duty..

Sounds fair dosnt it ?
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I like the way that is.

I remember, quite distinctly, what the size 12s of the local senior sergeant's felt like.


I reckon it still should be like that. A decent set of boots worked wonders for me and my mates.
of course, if they'd impounded our vehicles, We'd have been out of pocket about $9.75 each

what happened to the days when there were worse things then getting in trouble with the law? i remember when the police or anyone else for that matter would just come over and have a word with your dad, then you knew you were really in the sh!t. infact in hind sight i would have rather got in trouble with the coppers

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