Gym_

I got a good Q for ya doc. In all these pages about mod’s ive been reading i haven’t seen anything about fuel.

Seeing the cost of petrol just keeps sky rocketing what’s the regulations on running ethanol or ethyl alcohol just a different name for the same stuff.

2nd part of the question is if its not allowed how would you go about getting court using it.

With very little engine modification and nothing different externally and no smoke and little smell this would be a hard undertaking wouldn’t it ? .

Its not like a whopping great turbo sticking out of the side of ya block or a engine bay that looks like something out of NASA just a stranded engine that’s had a few internal parts upgraded.

3rd part of the Q is if it is illegal what would be the punishment ?.

Years ago i was told that you were allowed to have a still for the sole purpose of making alcohol to use as fuel and were allowed to produce X amount of litters per year without having a licence.

In Brazil they run cars on 100% ethanol which doesn’t produce any green house gasses or anything and it can be made for just pennies for distilling it in your own garage.


Do you know anything about this stuff doc or have a got you totally stumped lol

Cheers Gym_

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PRO-GMH

Well if you use nitrous oxide on the street theres a $10,000 fine... I would assume its the same as its not permissable to use. Would you really go to the bother of making it up to fuel your car?

Gym_

Last time i checked ethanol was about 36c a litre to buy so prob just go that route. As for comparing ethanol with NOS ...

Ethanol is already perfectly legal to use in fuel as a mix of 10% and gives out not much added horse power unlike a 100 shot of NOS and as you said NOS is totaly band..

all im talking about is shoving a few extra liters in my tank.

So what id like to do is retune my car buy a 44 gallon drum of it and remix my fuel at about 70% ethanol 20 petroleum.

I payed $1.48 a litter yesterday for my V8, Cost me as good as a 100 bucks to fill it up.
My maths is terrible but using a 70/20 mix would bring that down to about 58c a litter.

Sounds like worth a bit of stuffing around to me.

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Woodsy

You have to remember that ethanol has less stored energy than petrol so you have to burn more of it to get the same power. Gains you get filling up the tank may be lost at the decreased mileage you get from a tank.

It's also illegal to distil alcohol in your own home. I don't know if buying it and using it for fuel is ok but you definitely can't make it yourself without the appropriate registrations.

Edit: and you are dead right about your maths being crap. 70+20 doesn't add up to 100 so whats going in as the other 10 percent?
Anyway, assuming that you mixed it 75/25 you'd end up with a total cost of approx $1.14/L based on the prices you've quoted going into a standard commo tank (approx 60L).

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Gym_

Sorry typo and i worked it out at 100 litters

80/20 at Per 100 litters of fuel.

$30 petrol = aprox 20 litters @ say $1.50c & ethanol @ say 33.35c per litter = 26.50

26.50 + 30 = $56.5 dollars per 100 litters which I’m pretty shoure is 56.c a litter

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WB5LTR

spelling aint to crash hot either

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Gym_

Wow didn’t realize it was pick on Gym_ day,,

i guess people should not post questions on here, if they get shit put on them for doing so.

Thanks heaps ill know better next time not to bother.

Chow

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Woodsy

Ok, I see what you've done. You are putting in 80% ethanol and 20% petrol.

Like I said, you'll probably be disappointed to find that your car runs like crap and uses a lot more fuel than normal due to the low energy of alcohol but by all means, go for it. You'll also need to make sure that your fuel system is regularly flushed and all your rubber is renewed as the alcohol will deteriorate any rubber hose and plastic fittings fairly quickly.

And dry your eyes too princess

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mcs396

How easy is it for Aussie's to get ethanol?

Here in the states it is really hard to come by so it is not even an option.

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dr.legal

You're quite right to reply this way Gym. We can't all be good at everything.
Give him a break fellas.

Now to your questions. You're right. I'm a bit stumped on this one but as far as I'm aware, the regulations on the amount of ethanol in fuel is more to do with the fuel retailers so they don't rip you off more than they already are. I do know that it is illegal to have a still and make any amount of alcohol without a permit. Big fines etc. Your best bet would be to get onto the EPA and anonymously ask questions as to what the go is with a higher percentage ethanol.

Woodsy has a point about the fuel lines but the newer ones are made of nitrile and are ok with ethanol/alcohol. If you're running a carby engine, accelerator pumps are a form of nitrile and should be ok. If you have any doubts, replace it before you run the ethanol or bits can break off and block the jets etc.

Sorry I can't be of more help but this one's a bit out of my area.

doc

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wabbit

hop onto the Google train and search for E85. 85% ethanol, 105 octane

the yanks have been getting some good numbers out of it, but you will use more. you need bigger jets or you'll get a big lean out. then you can't go back to pump fuel without doing it again.

I'm waiting for it to get in the pumps here. probably about 20 years time

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vkberlina

Bring it on, got the double sized jets ready and waiting waiting waiting.........

toryman

heres a solution to high fuel prices, its one of them new fangled inventions, needs no fuel. i believe its called a "pushbike".

Honestly, if ur that worried about the cost of fuel, what are u doing driving not only a V8 but any modified vehicle?

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wabbit

here's another tip

i swapped my Madza Bravo 4 cyl ute for a scooter

Filled the scooter up the other day, after over 200k driving....it cost me $11.20 to fill it with premium.
The ute would have cost over $30.

The ute DID carry a bigger load, though

Woot

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Gym_

Hahahaha push bike good one lol, that is so witty with intelligent thinking like that you should work as public relations spokes person for a big oil company,

That way when Australians say petrol is to dear and Caltex made 750 BILLION dollars profit last year you can say .. well why don’t you buy a push bike,,,

yay !! we can all live like were from china and ride pusheis everywhere,, never mind the fact that some of us live in the country and to drive the kids to school is 19ks ,,

oww i guess the answer for that one would be to move to a big city so we can live next door to people with giant intellects like yourself.

But hey seeing that retort is so cleaver i won’t bother bringing up basic facts like my V8 is NOT a daily driver merely a show car or to drive on weekends, Or even something silly like brazil one of the largest populations in the world runs 100% of their cars on 100% ethanol and only pays like 40c a liiter for it. Or the fact when i built my car fuel was 92c a litre.

But i can see were you coming from because if i was paying 1.50 a litre to run a diereia brown sunbird then i to would rather be on a push bike aswell.

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