BulLeT

In my 98 VT how low can i go with the springs??? i asked pedders and one guy gave me some part numbers 2275 for the front and 2641 for the rear. Then i called back another store and asked them how much it would cost to install and he said he wouldnt install those part numbers cause its illegal so im confussed which guy is correct haha. He said those part numbers will lower my car about an inch and a half from the FE2 but P/N 2151 for front and 2643 for the rear is 1 inch and is legal. But i want it pretty low. So i have no idea what is what... because also the first guy told me that the 2151 and 2643 is the same height as FE2 but the other guy said they where lower so im confused there aswell.

Gym_

How low can you go ? id say taking someone’s car off them for spinning a tire is about as low as you can go.. or harassing ppl for sitting in a car park on a Friday night showing off there cars that’s pretty low to,,

OWWW you mean your springs,, silly me,,, this is the simplified version hope it helps

As for actual part numbers i have no clue just tell them ya want it as low as u can go legally .. here is the regs on it anyhow if it helps at all

Lowering or raising of vehicles

The road clearance of a fully laden vehicle must not be
less than 100mm measured at any part of the vehicle
other than the wheel rim or brake backing plates.

(This does not apply where a lesser clearance has been
specified by the manufacturer.)

When lowering or raising a vehicle body (front or rear),
the following additional restrictions are based on the
manufacturer's dimensions for the standard unmodified
vehicle while unladen:

• The ride height measured between the rubber bump
stop and the corresponding metal stop may be reduced
by no more than one third.

• The rebound travel measured between the rubber
rebound stop and the corresponding metal stop
(or the extension of the shock absorber for vehicles
without a rebound stop) may be reduced by no
more than one third.

• Coil springs are to remain in locating seats on full
suspension droop without forcibly being removed.

In addition, the normal relationship between the front
and rear suspension heights must not be unduly affected.

Replacement springs (shorter or taller) must have the
same or greater load capacity as the original springs.

Suspension coil springs must not be shortened by cutting
or heating.

Leaf spring suspensions must not be raised
by the use of extended shackles, adjustable metal plates
or by placing the leaf springs to the opposite side of the
axle.

If lowering blocks are used, they must be either
steel or aluminium.

Airbag or air pressurised shock absorber helper springs
may be fitted in addition to the original suspension.

However, replacing some or all of the suspension system
with an air or hydraulic suspension requires specific
approval.

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BulLeT

Thanks mate yeah that does help at least now if i get pulled over i can say well actually haha. But as for the Pedders guys i have no idea haha i thought there advice was no bull!!!.

Gym_

Well i find the best thing in most of these cases is to say,,,
I want it as low as i can go legally.

Then when ya go to get ya quote and work done have a peace of paper there with that written on it and get them to put the price under it,,, and then there name,,

So then after they do the work if its 15cm at the lowest point u can say hell no bro that’s not what i told u i wanted,, see its in writing now fix it for the price ya quoted,,,

if they called the cops and said we did this work and this A-hole wont pay us u show them the peace of paper see officer its in writing and the work is wrong, and the same if its 2 low you can choose to leave it and then if get busted take it back and make them fix it or you could show the cop and say this is what i asked for,,

there still going to make u fix it but at lest you don’t have to pay for it twice,,, and it proves to the cop you didn’t intentionally try and break the law no felonies’ intent

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smy

any opinions on shocks springs combo's for commodores... specifically IRS vr? Pedders quoted about 1500 for their sports ryder stuff fitted - shk, spring 2inch lowered, and strut top bearings fitted... a different pedders asked what i want the car to do and i said handle well and they quoted the entire suspension including all bushes & anti tramp bush for irs diff all replaced for 3200... I'm thinkind springs and shocks and doing bushes at home... or mates workshop... wholesale susp quote was 1,100 2 inch low king springs and suitable shocks (i think ultima's - any good anyone??? or should i go for bilstein and king springs...) car is daily driver not a quarter mile or race car but it needs some help as springs have been cut by previous owner and it rides crap and uneven hieght

Gym_

I really don’t think you would need to go to extreme unless its a track car,,

I put sports king springs on mine with stranded strut tops,, sports shocks and forked out for custom sway bars and a adjustable pan hard rod and this thing sits flat as,,,

feels like a go-cart..

heaven forbid ya hit a pot hole thou, break ya F-ing spine,,,

i wouldn’t go any harder around here because you would have to were a kidney belt every time ya drove the dame thing..

but i can slam on the skids and the front don’t dip,,, or throw it into any corner and there’s not a mill of body roll,,,

I payed like 500 for all the springs 500 for the 4 shocks,,, 150 or so for the pan hard and the dearest thing by far was the custom sway bars they were almost 400 each but well worth it,,,

The only thing that is not so good is around here even on tar we have corrugations for some strange reason the council thinks that taring over the top of them is perfectly fine but if your going around a corner and hit a few of thous,, wholly brown crusty undies batman ....

the ass of the car is just outer there ...
Id put the hander ling of my 25yr car against almost any stranded bran new family car,,,

I drove my mum’s VP today only 100,000 on the clock and almost crap me self it was awful ,,, the front floats around the body rolls from side to side,,, it steers like a shopping trolley and the brakes OMG the brakes think a train would pull up quicker,,, i wouldn’t be game to give it any juice id end up a bunch of flowers on a telegraph pole.

Id be prob doing a bit at a time and then seeing how good it is that way you can tell what more needs doing to it,, that’s what i did with mine.

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smy

Thanks GYM

I'll go the shocks and springs and see what else needs to be replaced after that... its got a whiteline strut brace on it and sits pretty flat as is, SS sway bars and nolathane links I've put on the front sway.

I don't want it too go-kart like as I still want the wife to want to travel in it if we take on a decent drive.. (otherwise I will be forced to take her 4cyl)

BulLeT

Oh god no not a 4cyl haha my missus just baught one of those nissan micras and its pink haha i dont even go in the passengers seat lol. nice turning circle though.

I talked to another guy at pedders and he said he can make my vt as low as i wanna go haha he gave me a quote on some BMW springs and just replace the rear shocks and wheel alignment for $970 you guys think that is worth it??? But im not sure if it will screw my car up putting in springs and shocks that are spose to go into a BMW

smy

new BMW springs or he's got some lying around? from what I've been quoted it seems fitted 4 shocks and springs is minimum $1100 inc w/align... so I guess that may give you an idea?

Is it IRS? - ie will it need a camber kit in it once it's lowered... mines 2 inch low with no kit and it ain't real good on the tyres under throttle.

BulLeT

I dont think they are actual BMW shocks and springs more like Pedders but made for BMW, like Commodore's have there certain Part numbers from pedders and that. He is only gonna put in new rear shocks not front and 4 new springs so thats probably why its cheaper than $1100.

What you mean your car is not to good on tyre under throttle? In what way do you mean?

melburgorbust

so can you just modify the bump and rebound stops so that the distances are not unduly affected?

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STREETFIRE68

I'm guessing incorrect camber adjustment - it leads to more tyre wear.

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Steve Didge

I got pinned with yellow for lowering my VT. Just a couple of tips when you do it. My chasssis is 102mm off the ground at the front but the the pipes are bout 85mm. The inspector wanted me to raise it but all i done was push the pipes up to clear the ground by 100mm. He was a right prick about it all but he had to pass me. I used the red pedders springs and the stiffer shocks which dropped me 40mm in total. I also put a double camber kit in which is a must as it will chew your tyres and put added wear on your bearings and also screws your toe if you dont go the allignment.

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Gday Bullet

Mate my vt sits at its lowest point 100mm and I believe the lowest is 110mm. I think I may have asked the same question once before in the "Questions for the boys in blue" page. Have a look it that one mate. All I have in mine is super lows kings, I had WA suspension do all the camber adjustments for me, Only thing I need to be responsible for is rotation my wheels around every 5000kms for proper wheel ware. Which I guess is pretty common among Holdens IRS set ups

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