Viper

Ok say you have 1 point left, and you got a fine for 2 points and you cant afford to lose your license for whatever reasons and you found a good mate or relative who was willing to take the fall for ya and fill out the bit saying it was them driving...

Just wondering do they ever actually check the photo's and see if it matches up? And what sort of trouble you could get in for trying to take the points for someone else if they somehow proved you did it on purpose...

but yea you get the point.. Cheers

Gym_

well seeing you havnt said what the fine was for im gessing it was a speed camrea,,,,

speed camra's only take pics of the back of the car not the front thats illegel and it wont stand up in court,,,

besides that 99% of the time the gov dont give a rats ass as long as they get ther money out of you,,,

so go ahead and do it and if for some very strage happings they do say hang on thats not you,, seeing they dont even know what you look like.

you say ooww my bad i didnt think i thought that was the day i lent my car out

cousidering i cant even rember what i did yesterday let alone 2 weeks ago i think ya pritty safe unless ya going to stand up in court under orth .. in that case i woudnt.

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HOTN355

Umm,we have speed camera's in WA that take from the front?


Hmmmm.

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Yeah there are 3 within my suburb that take front on shots. (NSW)

As for the actually issue. I got done for speeding by a fixed camera a month into my P's. I was in my parents car and they were happy to let me off that once and took the points, I paid the fine.

I spose that was easy because the car was in their name so they got the fine in the first place.

I cant see them going through every single camera offence checking and checking the photos. If you can get someone to take the fall for you good luck. I dont think you'll have a problem.

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Gym_

If you are photographed by a speed camera head on, especially at night, it is illegal for them to do so.

In fact be suspicious of any front on speed camera booking and check to see if the “Camera in use” sign has been put out on the opposite side of the road as well as the camera side.

The reality is that just about all speed cameras are set up to shoot you from behind only.

In that mode they will photograph vehicles coming from the opposite direction if they break the radar beam but it will be a false and erroneous reading if the camera has not been set up correctly to photograph both oncoming and departing traffic.

There are several important points you need to watch out for in all radar bookings and the most important of them is police concealment.

In all cases whether it be Lidar/Laser, mobile radar or speed camera, their guidelines state that they must not be concealed.

Further those same guidelines state that the police vehicles must be fully marked police vehicles with their warning lights and overhead lights on!

Those guidelines are emplaced to give motorists early warning that they are there and we all know just how they hide behind bushes, bustops and anything handy and deliberately park their cars up driveways and around corners….

The second important point to remember is … hills and bends. They are not allowed to operate on either.

Speed cameras must only be used in accordance with the original site criteria.

If any of the conditions of the road change significantly, such as; Speed zone; Roadworks Number of lanes; The speed camera is not to be used for enforcement purposes.

Under the National Safety Committee guidelines for the use and implementation of Police Speed detection devices, the police
are only supposed to be operating them in known “Black Spot” or high accident areas

At the back of every police manual there is a poetic statement that if it were not so serious…it would make you cry. That statement is-

“Radar must not be used at any location or in a mode that would give rise to legitimate adverse criticism or a complaint that radar is a means of raising government revenue”…..

Scott Cooper
Speeding Fine Consultants


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dr.legal

It happens all the time. Not legal but it still happens. I don't know what state you're in Viper, but in Victoria, once the fine gets issued, if it's another driver, you have to fill out the back nominating the driver and have it signed by a member of the police. It's then returned to the Traffic Camera Office and a new fine is issued to the driver.

The speed cameras in Victoria can take them from the front as well depending on the road.

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^^ Agreed.

Does the speed camera law apply to SA as well? Because not only are the cars fitted with cameras (Commodores, Magnas, Falcons and Aurions) unmarked, there is often no sign ahead saying 'Speed Cameras Save Lives', and sometimes the camera is concealed behind the windscreen too.

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Viper

Sorry yea it was from a Speed Camera... Im in WA and just about every camera takes the photo from the front here, day or night.. Ive never been done by a rear one...

The fine has 3 photos printed on it showing the whole car, the license plate zoomed in and then a close up of your face...

And yea Camera's are always concealed here as well, hiding behind bushes and bus stops and anything else you can think of, then bit further down the road the "you just passed a speed camera" sign is usually concealed also... if there is one at all..

Hemiway

Best one i've ever seen is a PRIVATE camera operater in vic that was on the side of the road two wheels up two down(illegally parked?) on a hill of about 20 degrees with his bonnet up. must have breached every rule there is for these guys and i bet that not one person appealed to fine. thinking they had no choice

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yes im in WA and ive never seen a back view foto, bloody stupid idea..
and dont try to cheat the system you will get done, me and my boss tried when i was driving the work ute and it didnt work, and when u get the foto in the mail and it looks blurry, dont think oh i can get away with it, because the 1 at the traffic place is as clear as a bell, my boss got the pic and it was blurry so we tried to make it that his dad got the demerits and i payed the fine, when he went to the traffic place it was so clear you could see me pickin my nose LOL

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Gym_

Its very hard to give a definitive answer on that as most other states other then Vic have gone to good lengths to hide there policies on speed cameras .

After all its a worth $2 Billion a year revenue earner to the man.

But from what i have been able to sniff out SA and WA not only allow under handed tactics or hiding speed camera they encourage it.

As for the issue of fixed mounted speed cameras facing forward according to everything i have read they are not supposed to be used like that as they are not manufactured for that,,

How ever walking into court and saying there not allowed to do that is not good enough as you ether need a precedence or evidence .

Which usually initials a expert witness , which good luck getting professor smart ass to attend your court hearing.

Or a lawyer who is in the know about that kind of thing like a SPEEDING FINE CONSULTANT and theirs no way they are gunna let there stuff outer the bag unless your letting $$$ out of your wallet

What you really need is a copy of a Police Mobile Cameras Policy Manual &/ Or Speed Camera Policy and Operations Manual for your state.

The only ones i could find for other states other then Vic they were asking 60 bucks for a copy

Thou the policies on the use of fixed and mobile camera should be avalibull somewhere, finding them takes a long ass time unless u know were to look.

The other way is to apply for one under the freedom of information’s act Or be good mates with someone who is in possession of one .

One other thing you might be interested in .. WA has no laws that contain to the use or possession of Radar detectors .. “ Bel Sti TotalShield Radar Detector “ is highly rated and is not able to be identified by sun micro systems radar detector detectors (RDD’s) again they are totally legal in WA.

How ever for ever other state it is an offence to sell, buy, possess , or use any device that interferes with the speed calculations of a radar detector or warns of the presents of one.

Please note that this is just research done by me as a public citizen for shits and giggles.

I am only interested in doing this stuff because next year if i can i want to take my bachelor of laws degree until then this only some bloke on the net. Peace out

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hs(cott)v

well, in qld our transport ministers get away with it all the time
http://aussiev8.com.au/showthread.php?t=13045
why can't we??

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Hardy

Thats awesome... But these facts are made irrelevant by the fact that these practises are not followed. Up the road from my house is a variable speed camera (school zone, 40km/h during school hours, 60km/h at other times)

It'll get you coming up a hill and get you front on.

I'm sure what your saying is correct, but the fact is that those rules aren't followed. They're (police) happy to slap a camera in wherever they can and as you mention are tactically aware of how to conceal themselves when using a portable speed trap/hair dryer thingy. I dont think I've ever once seen one of them pulled over with a "speed camera in use" sign of any description being displayed.

Once again, I have no reason not to believe you that these laws and rules are in place, I'm just saying that its irrelevent as the police or the authorities responsible for the setting up of speed cameras dont follow them AND dont seem to get punished for not following them.

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dr.legal

He can legally park like that because they have an exemption but have been told not to lift the boot or put out the spare wheel etc. The hill is fine provided it meets the criteria required.

What area?

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Gym_

I hear you load and clear and Totally understand.

The thing is this kind of practise only succeeds when nobody knows the truth/ there criteria and ses oww well I’m banged left to right and cops it sweet or i couldn’t be bothered fighting this or chances are ill get screwed and end up deeper in the shit.

If EVERY single person said “ hang on that’s not right “ and then took it to court and got off on what most people call a technicality then this kind of thing would stop as there would be no point.

Like most things in life if you absolutely new you were going to be shafted for something you would not do it.

Example if u were sitting at a set of lights and you look over and in right lane right beside you there is a fully marked hi way patrol car sitting dead beside you and you look over to the left theirs a heap of ya mates and a few hot chicks and their all yelling out .. light em up .. goin on smoke thou wheels that thing wouldn’t pull the skin off a rice pudding, do you need a push mate ?..

How many of us would really light them up for 200 meters up the road ?

Now if you were in a back street somewhere and their wasn’t other car in site and the same thing happens you might be thinking arrrr i got about a 98% chance of getting away with a small chirp off the line ..

Pretty much the same thing as only about 2% or less of people do anything about it..

This is just my opinion anyway so check out this link form some of these guys and have a read and see what ya think,, better then lessening to me rave on with shit anyway,,,

http://www.speedingfineconsultants.com/ come back and tell me what you think.
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