76lxhatch

I never said the Toyota box was weak, its possibly stronger than the Aussie box but the shift is crummy in comparison. And again, its complicating matters to convert to a 5 speed when the 4 speed will do the job well, cost less and be less of a headache.

GTMaster

What's the matter with red 202's? I had one with 350 000 k's and the cylinder head wasn't taken off once, and had a great compression ratio even with all the km's in it. What advantages do the blue and black ones have over the red one? I read earlier that these ones have electronic ignition, but what else. Better emission?

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allports

hey man ur from hungary how do you know about holden 202's

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76lxhatch

The blue and black motors had different heads with better ports which were the main changes, along with other minor bits and pieces. There's nothing significantly wrong with a red motor in comparison.

Toast

Sorry I wasn't directing that soley at you, just others who were talking sh!t when I had the conversion done.
It'll cost you around 1000 bucks to fit (using a mechanic) not that expensive, maybe under. The 4 speed does it well yes, but the 5'er does it better.

LOL get ya hand off it... I don't think you know what you're on about buddy. I've done the conversion and I'm telling you, you're wrong in all areas.

1. The 4 speed is a sh!t quality shifter compared to the 5'er.
2. They are not complicated to fit nor a "headache" if you use a mechanic...
3. That comment on insurance is complete and utter bullsh!t.
4. The 5 speed has the extra gear for easy cruising, better econemy and all round easier to live with.
5. Don't have to touch the 5 speed
6. The Aussie box always needs attention.

I've had a Celica box in my EH Prem for nearly two years now and haven't looked back; never had a problem. Plenty of other blokes with EH's have the same combo as myself, so that's gotta be telling you something. Seen some WB's etc with them as well.

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76lxhatch

Toast, all my comments are with relevance to the original post in this thread, so forget about hi-po sixes or V8s - I've already mentioned that the Aussie box is not as dependable as the 5 speed but that doesn't apply to a mild 202. With regard to shifting I do know what I'm on about - although the 4 speed shifter can leave a bit to be desired, it can be sorted easily enough and the box itself has a much nicer shift than you'll ever get with any Toyota 5 speed. Just because the thing is well engineered and has good ratios doesn't give it good feel. And lastly using a mechanic can easily be one heck of a headache although once again my comment was only relevant to situation at hand, i.e. where the 4 speed is a bolt-in (no conversion bell housing, no extra cost, no issues). What enjoyment do you get out of working on a car when paying a mechanic to do it anyway?

I'm well aware that there are a lot of cars out there with Toyota gearbox conversions - my V8 Torana has one, I have a mate with one behind a 265 Hemi even. And they work fine. But that doesn't change the fact that the 4 speed is the simpler option and would better suit the requirements of the original poster. The poor guy just wanted some advice on a simple $200 transplant, not how to melt his credit card with $1,000 gearbox changes.

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GTMaster

To allports: to cut a long story short, i was born in Melbourne to hungarian parents, and i've been living in Hungary for 8 years now. Through my childhood i spent endless times in our beloved '77 HX Kingswood S.Wagon, which had a red 202 and a 3spd manual. My dad used it at work, so it was a workhorse for a long time. Very reliable is my point. Sorry if this is irrelevent to the thread, but i just love old Aussie cars My interest towards Aussie Fords, Valiants, Aussie Leylands started when i was living in Europe.

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Sorry, but when i said good comp. ratio with lot's of km's in it, i meant end pressure (TDC in comp. stroke). The comp. ratio doesn't change, just the pressure after time...
Anyway 202's are good

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Can a Toyota gearbox just like that be coupled onto a 202, or does the bell housing and other components need replacing as well?

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Yes it can dellowautomotive.com.au

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Dirtcowboy

Have to say I agree with toast I ran a VK 5spd behind my old 173 and although I wouldnt suggest the VK box as I broke one by it locking into 5th and the replacement brother was following the same path, the 5sp is definetly the best option if your on the highway alot the cruising gear is awesome and helps a heap on economy.
I m not sure why anybody would be excited about the m20/21 shifters the linkage system wears and then like most things get crankier the older they get, having said that though once your used to it I cant say it bother me much outside of often being stuck in reverse when the slots wouldnt line up.
Though its really dependendent on what your doing with it if your just driving round town and do a bit of highway here and there it wouldnt be worth your while but for me I spent quite a lot of time on the highway so it definetly paided off.

Ugly Ash

strongy, I have a VC commo here with a 3.3motor in it, it has roller rockers, extractors, mild cam and a rare a rocking horse doo-doo (so I am told) 12port yella terra head. the guy who owned it before me spent many dollars on the motor but upgraded to injected V8. if you are interested in a worked motor like this, pm me, I bought the car to wreck out. it is complete and running at the moment so you can hear it run if you wish.
I looked at doing a V6 conversion to the HQ wagon I have but it was bloody expensive!
I have a blue (3.3) in the car now and it runs great.
we can probably do a deal on the whole car if you like.

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Toast

"What enjoyment do you get out of working on a car when paying a mechanic to do it anyway". Don't try and use that on me cause I get plenty of enjoyment out of my old Holden, (I get to drive it) even if it's someone elses work, who cares... I don't exactly have the time to be modifying my car doing this-that and whatever, I'd rather be earning cash, cruising with mates, drinking beer and whatever. What's the difference if someone else builds it anyway???

Best advice I can give you is join a car club (eg EH Car Club of Victoria). Go to a meeting and talk to other blokes about what they've done. Or even a Holden car show, talk to the blokes there, ask bout what mods they've done and what they've done in the past, how long it took, was it hard, are you satisfied with it, was it expensive.

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EH179

I would go the blue 202 with the m20 cheaper. But put it in your self. It will save you some money and you will appreciate what you have done.

toryman

Honestly mate, i would go with a blue 202 and M20. The blue 202 has electroic ignition and the better head, the M20 is a great box, ive had several without a problem ever. Ive also had celica 5 speeds and they are very good boxes too but to me they seemed a bit vague, (just after being rebuilt too). Also the only gearbox i have ever blown was a celica 5 speed too, behind a red 202 in a VB commy. Also, forget getting a mechanic to do the work, a 202 is easy enough for anybody to work on and then you can always quote the old saying, "Built, not bought".

I forgot to add, the motor i blew the celica 5 speed box up with was only a 1.3 litre 4K motor in my last KE55 corolla, yes it was pretty worked and a very quick little car but still, it was only a 1300cc motor, not exactly a powerhouse.

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