Friggin thing wont #@%&$ fire! - Aussie V8 | Holden - Ford

toryman · 20-03-2008, 10:30 PM

Ok people, im stuck and would really appreciate some help here, so here goes.

My better half has a 93 camry, 2.2L 5SFE motor. It turns over but will not fire, ive pretty much narrowed it down to spark or fuel. Its got new plugs, leads, coil, rotor, serviced about a month ago. Waiting on new dizzy cap coming from QLD so havent replaced that yet, checking ignition module tomorrow. Its getting fuel at least up to the filter, cant get to the injectors without a lot of difficulty so havent checked them yet. No spark it seems at the leads, so problem is before that. Went perfectly until a week ago when it just stopped. Have i overlooked anything? Any suggestions?

Smitty2 · 20-03-2008, 11:20 PM

check 12v is getting to the coil
check ign fuse
and check coil lead to dizzy for breakage/fit

toryman · 20-03-2008, 11:36 PM

Sorry, forgot to mention fuses are all fine and coil is inside dizzy so no coil lead.

toryman · 23-03-2008, 01:22 AM

After having another look today i think i was wrong to immediately put it down to spark or fuel. I just noticed that everytime ive pulled the dizzy cap off since the car has been immobile, the rotor button is in the same position, even after turning it over many times. Now im thinking the timing belts rooted, FAAAAAAAARK. Now im wishing it was just a spark problem smitty! Thanks for ur advice anyway.

Smitty2 · 25-03-2008, 12:45 PM

...dont think its timing belt
as
you would have heard pistons hitting valves...........

so what to check?
I would lift off dizzy cap and turn engine over ..by hand or starter
and see if rotor button moves. If it does not, remove rotor button and then try again and see if dizzy shaft rotates. I suspect the rotor button although
its possible the dizzy gear has shite itsself...

toryman · 25-03-2008, 09:51 PM

Ok, dizzy shaft isnt rotating but theres another strange thing about this dizzy. Instead of a gear its got a funny lookin coupling according to the ridiculously useless haynes manual. Reckon ill be pricing a dizzy tomorrow.

Smitty2 · 25-03-2008, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toryman

Ok, dizzy shaft isnt rotating but theres another strange thing about this dizzy. Instead of a gear its got a funny lookin coupling according to the ridiculously useless haynes manual. Reckon ill be pricing a dizzy tomorrow.

..coupling..?
whats it join? the camshaft ?
or timing chain or..??

before flogging $ on the dizzy make sure whatever
its connected to..is working

toryman · 26-03-2008, 08:17 AM

id say it would somehow run of one of the cams (its DOHC). I'll have to do some more investigating after work tonight, the manual is no help at all.

disco_336 · 26-03-2008, 07:19 PM

i work for toyota and can 110% say that the valves dont hit the pistons even if u turn over the motor with the belt snapped
take off the cover to the timing belt and make sure its all together and lined up properly (not out of timing)
the distributor can only be placed into the groove on the back of the cam one-way cause the end off the dizzy isnt symmetrical (even tho it might look it)
water pump pulley bearings on the 5S motors are known to go wich in turn skips the timing belt, but does no damage to the internals of the motor :P

if ur dizzy aint turning ur belt is snapped 99/100 times

Smitty2 · 26-03-2008, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disco_336

i work for toyota

oh...brave man

STREETFIRE68 · 26-03-2008, 09:12 PM

Give the guy some credit

disco_336 · 26-03-2008, 09:25 PM

lol im currently at toyota school studying on the new TRD hilux, quite impressive stuff.......
luckly ive stopped being a floor mechanic and have worked my way up to pro diagnostic tech for TRD ... some real technical shit

STREETFIRE68 · 26-03-2008, 09:39 PM

Do you have any input on the TRD Hilux, you know "...yeah, needs a 400ci engine, give it a procharger for good measure". customers will roll in like mad

toryman · 26-03-2008, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by disco_336

if ur dizzy aint turning ur belt is snapped 99/100 times

Bugger, not what i wanted to hear! Id prefer to just hafta replace a dizzy!
Looks like im pulling the car apart to get the timing cover off as soon as it stops raining! Cheers for the info Disco.

jdonly1 · 26-03-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by toryman

Bugger, not what i wanted to hear! Id prefer to just hafta replace a dizzy!
Looks like im pulling the car apart to get the timing cover off as soon as it stops raining! Cheers for the info Disco.

Raining,send some up this way

20-03-2008, 10:30 PM	#1 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,335	Friggin thing wont #@%&$ fire! Ok people, im stuck and would really appreciate some help here, so here goes. My better half has a 93 camry, 2.2L 5SFE motor. It turns over but will not fire, ive pretty much narrowed it down to spark or fuel. Its got new plugs, leads, coil, rotor, serviced about a month ago. Waiting on new dizzy cap coming from QLD so havent replaced that yet, checking ignition module tomorrow. Its getting fuel at least up to the filter, cant get to the injectors without a lot of difficulty so havent checked them yet. No spark it seems at the leads, so problem is before that. Went perfectly until a week ago when it just stopped. Have i overlooked anything? Any suggestions? __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

20-03-2008, 11:36 PM	#3 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,335	Sorry, forgot to mention fuses are all fine and coil is inside dizzy so no coil lead. __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

23-03-2008, 01:22 AM	#4 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,335	After having another look today i think i was wrong to immediately put it down to spark or fuel. I just noticed that everytime ive pulled the dizzy cap off since the car has been immobile, the rotor button is in the same position, even after turning it over many times. Now im thinking the timing belts rooted, FAAAAAAAARK. Now im wishing it was just a spark problem smitty! Thanks for ur advice anyway. __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

25-03-2008, 09:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,335	Ok, dizzy shaft isnt rotating but theres another strange thing about this dizzy. Instead of a gear its got a funny lookin coupling according to the ridiculously useless haynes manual. Reckon ill be pricing a dizzy tomorrow. __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

26-03-2008, 08:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
toryman Pure Evil Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Im a local everywhere Ride: everything i can get my hands on, 4 wheels or 2 Posts: 2,335	id say it would somehow run of one of the cams (its DOHC). I'll have to do some more investigating after work tonight, the manual is no help at all. __________________ Now available in Sober, but for a limited time only! I wish it wasn't illegal to shoot stupid people.

20-03-2008, 11:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Smitty2 Do you ever leave? Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: bayside Melbourne Ride: VX SS, VK race car, Zx12R Posts: 1,587	check 12v is getting to the coil check ign fuse and check coil lead to dizzy for breakage/fit

25-03-2008, 12:45 PM	#5 (permalink)
Smitty2 Do you ever leave? Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: bayside Melbourne Ride: VX SS, VK race car, Zx12R Posts: 1,587	...dont think its timing belt as you would have heard pistons hitting valves........... so what to check? I would lift off dizzy cap and turn engine over ..by hand or starter and see if rotor button moves. If it does not, remove rotor button and then try again and see if dizzy shaft rotates. I suspect the rotor button although its possible the dizzy gear has shite itsself...

26-03-2008, 07:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
disco_336 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: perth Ride: vk commodore 12.55 @ 107mph Posts: 139	i work for toyota and can 110% say that the valves dont hit the pistons even if u turn over the motor with the belt snapped take off the cover to the timing belt and make sure its all together and lined up properly (not out of timing) the distributor can only be placed into the groove on the back of the cam one-way cause the end off the dizzy isnt symmetrical (even tho it might look it) water pump pulley bearings on the 5S motors are known to go wich in turn skips the timing belt, but does no damage to the internals of the motor :P if ur dizzy aint turning ur belt is snapped 99/100 times __________________ If ya want more inches "Stroke" it

26-03-2008, 09:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
STREETFIRE68 Chrome Bars = Real Cars Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Adelaide, SA Ride: Your sister :) Posts: 1,290	Give the guy some credit __________________ Pop quiz: The 2008 Presidential Election was a: A. Comedy B. Landslide C. Farce D. Tragedy ___________________________________ Last edited by STREETFIRE68; Today at 07:50 PM.

26-03-2008, 09:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
disco_336 casual poster Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: perth Ride: vk commodore 12.55 @ 107mph Posts: 139	lol im currently at toyota school studying on the new TRD hilux, quite impressive stuff....... luckly ive stopped being a floor mechanic and have worked my way up to pro diagnostic tech for TRD ... some real technical shit __________________ If ya want more inches "Stroke" it

26-03-2008, 09:39 PM	#13 (permalink)
STREETFIRE68 Chrome Bars = Real Cars Trade Rating: (0) Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Adelaide, SA Ride: Your sister :) Posts: 1,290	Do you have any input on the TRD Hilux, you know "...yeah, needs a 400ci engine, give it a procharger for good measure". customers will roll in like mad __________________ Pop quiz: The 2008 Presidential Election was a: A. Comedy B. Landslide C. Farce D. Tragedy ___________________________________ Last edited by STREETFIRE68; Today at 07:50 PM.

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